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« Reply #30: April 07, 2010, 01:48:41 PM »
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Since everyone is lumped together, like ALL "nons," supporters, fence sitters, etc., as they do...  That makes Terry Hobbs a non, right?  Well, since the majority of them try to argue that the polygraph test DOES NOT have the largest part to do with the examiner ( dozing), why not encourage Hobbsy to take one?  He doesn't owe anyone anything, yeah...  Okay.  Then, get us to "shut up" once and for all...  or are ya afraid ya just can't pass one?
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« Reply #31: April 07, 2010, 04:48:42 PM »
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That would be too easy!  No TH when asked to take a LD test would just say, " It don't mean nothin", " I guess".   prankster
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« Reply #32: April 07, 2010, 06:57:46 PM »
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That would be too easy!  No TH when asked to take a LD test would just say, " It don't mean nothin", " I guess".   prankster


Yup, and he openly declared he refuses to take one in the depos... but doesn't he want us to shut up?  I guess maybe he realizes that there would be much more noise to make once he failed three or four... or six.   yes
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« Reply #33: April 07, 2010, 07:39:00 PM »
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That would be too easy!  No TH when asked to take a LD test would just say, " It don't mean nothin", " I guess".   prankster


Yup, and he openly declared he refuses to take one in the depos... but doesn't he want us to shut up?  I guess maybe he realizes that there would be much more noise to make once he failed three or four... or six.   yes


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« Reply #34: April 07, 2010, 10:03:21 PM »
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Right! Murder and Brutal go hand in hand....and yes, I can see where the act could have been impulsive and THEN...ROT-ROW!! GOTTA GET A PLAN...QUICK!
Hey folks, I'm not quite as up on all this as you guyz. I've just been intrigued with it (and smelled a BIG rat)from the very beginning..watching it unfold on our local news (I live in Memphis, Tn.)  I've seen both documentaries...saw the 48 hours thing and it started me in "Search Mode" again...to get updated.  Of course, I've gone over the WM3 website and few other things I came upon.  If any of you have suggestions on any sites with solid, factual info, I would appreciate the tip!    yes
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« Reply #35: April 07, 2010, 10:26:18 PM »
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Pally,
Maybe if you find a site like that with real, factual information, you could post the web address here and we could all go take a look for ourselves, too. After all, we wouldn't want to be advocating anything less than true facts, would we?
Actually, I have enjoyed this particular site here as one with ethical, professional level researchers who are genuinely honest in their posts and who answer our questions quite thoroughly. Documents are provided, too. I like the one of TH giving his deposition. 
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« Reply #36: April 07, 2010, 11:27:18 PM »
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Polly,
 Well, I meant IN ADDITION to this site. Sorry, should have stated that. YES, I think this one is great! Best one I've come across..Very informative. First time I've ever signed up on a message board.  It probably shows!:>)
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« Reply #37: April 07, 2010, 11:40:26 PM »
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What I would do, Pally, is stick to one site at first and go over the documents. If you have questions, these folks are not going to cut you down or call you names. What you will get are top of the line answers and explanations. If they give you a personal opinion, it is going to be an educated opinion also because they have spent a great deal of time researching every aspect of the case. Plus, they have researched for years. In their professional lives, they are well acquainted with the value and techniques of researching a subject. You will be pleasantly surprised to note that some of them are legal professionals.
I say stick to one site at first because there is a plethora of information... pro and con... factual and made up crap... and documents... videos here and things that you should read up on. When you do that, you will have questions. Other sites will not be tolerant of questions you might have. If you are new to boards, then you might be taken aback at sites that might use vulgar language and insults. To me, that isn't mature either in how to treat another person nor does it benefit anything to do with the case.
Try this site and if you don't like it, there are a couple others you might enjoy that I have been reading on lately:
http://www.wm3.org (I think that is correct)
and the http://www.paradiselost3.com (I think that is also correct). I have gone to the sites so many times that my computer automatically goes there so I don't have to key the whole thing in.
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« Reply #38: April 07, 2010, 11:56:01 PM »
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Thank you so much, Polly!   I've been cruising this site tonite (first chance I've had..other than this thread that inspired me to join in)  WOW! I'm very impressed!  Lots of stuff to soak in here!  I'll get the hang of it!:>)    THANKS AGAIN!
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« Reply #39: April 08, 2010, 10:26:19 PM »
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But does anyone have a GOOD take on what motive T.H. would have to do somethng this horrendous?...To methodically and brutally murder his own 8 year old stepson and 2 friends?  I'd love to hear it!   After reviewing this interview (and watching the videos of it.. and various interviews with T.H.) THAT'S what I have trouble with...he just doesn't come across as a diabolical, savage child murderer.  


Pally, in the Declaration of John Mark Byers filed in the lawsuit TH brought against the Dixie Chicks, Mr. Byers relates a conversation he had with TH where TH said the murderer might not be a monster.  TH told Mr. Byers that it could have been an accident, like a drunk driver.  To me, this was TH's attempt to rationalize his behavior and reduce his culpability to a level he can accept - that is, somewhere below monster.

I can think of no Good Motive to kill a child, let alone three children.  Statistics tell us that when a child is murdered, the murderer is most likely a parent or step-parent.  Of this group, the most likely murderer is a stepfather.  TH was Stevie's stepfather.  BratButtBetty has a good discussion on this Board revealing what makes men murder children. This discussion is very interesting and very much outside my field.  I just know statistically that TH is a member of the most likely group of probable murderers, and I continue to be amazed that he was not investigated thoroughly for the murders by the WMPD or the WM3 Defense Teams in 1993.  He was not interviewed, his neighbors were not interviewed, his family was not interviewed, his criminal record was not checked, his alibi was not checked, and neither his house nor automobile was searched.  He stayed in the shadows and flew under the radar.  When Pam Hobbs, Stevie's mother, tried to discuss some items that were not adding up for her after the WM3 were arrested, Gitchell, who headed the WMPD investigation, told her to be quiet and not mess up His Case.  The police needed a conviction, and Gitchell did not need to hear questions from the mother of a victim.  It was His Case and He was running it His way.

Based on the available evidence, here is what I believe happened on May 5, 1993, that resulted in the boys' death.

TH got home from work about 4:15 to 4:25 in a pretty good mood.  He asked Pam where is "Frog Legs," his nickname for Stevie.  Pam said Stevie went with Michael Moore and is suppose to be home by 4:30.  TH got out of his work clothes, showered and was ready for supper.  It was after 4:30 and Stevie was not home.  Pam was harping, as mothers do, "I told him to be home by 4:30.  That young man is grounded for two weeks.  Yada, yada, yada."  TH went out to see if he could see Stevie and holler him home, hoping to regain some peace and quiet, eat a quick bite, take Pam to work, and then go hang out with his friend David Jacoby.  He did not see Stevie.  Pam was in no mood to put food on the table and there really was not time to eat.

At about 4:50 TH takes Pam to work, circling by the Moores' house to see if Stevie was there.  He was not, so they continued on to Pam's work arriving shortly before 5:00.  TH returns home with Amanda to find Stevie, Michael and Chris there.  Stevie had come home for supper, but was late.  He had eaten some green beans and changed into red shorts before TH got home.  This was the first time TH had seen Stevie that day.  TH did not go off on Stevie.  He tells Stevie he was supposed to be home by 4:30 and "your mother is madder than a wet hen and you are going to have to deal with that, but if you want to play some more with your friends, go ahead.  It may be the last time you get to ride your bike for a couple of weeks.  You know your mother.  I'm taking Sister over to the Jacobys.  You be back here by 6:30."

Please note the red shorts and green beans are important in assessing TH's guilt.  When Stevie left the house with Michael before TH came home, he was wearing blue jeans.  In his missing person report taken at about 9:25 Pam describes Stevie as last seen wearing blue jeans.  TH was present when the missing person report was taken.  However, after 5:00 the only description we have of what Stevie was wearing is shorts,not jeans.  If he in fact was wearing shorts when he went missing, who but TH would have the motive or opportunity to switch the shorts for the blue jeans found at the discovery site?

Stevie's autopsy report shows green vegetable material in his lumen.  Pam made green beans for supper that night, and green beans were Stevie's favorite.  Where did the green vegetable material in Stevie's lumen come from if he did not return home and eat?  Given the various sitings of the boys from after 5:10 to 7:00, Stevie had to have eaten those green beans and changed into shorts between 4:50 and 5:10.  TH says he came home with Amanda after taking Pam to work.  How did TH not see Stevie?  

Anyway, back to what happened next.

TH left his house with Amanda and went to the Jacobys, who lived right around the corner about a half-block to a block away, arriving at about 5:10 to 5:15.  The boys followed TH, and David Jacoby saw them as he greeted TH and Amanda at his front door.  TH never mentions to Jacoby that Stevie is missing during this visit.  The two play guitars in his living room until about 6:15-6:30 when TH says he needs to go check and see if Stevie has made it home.  TH arrives home with Amanda, and the two are in the driveway when TH sees Stevie, Michael and Chris.  He hollers for them to come to his house, and the boys comply.  Stevie wants to keep playing, but TH says no.  TH does allow Stevie to ride Chris home with strict instructions that Stevie come straight back.  Stevie misread TH's mood.  Stevie thought if he was back in an hour, that would be okay.  But when Stevie was not back in 15 minutes, TH decided he needed to teach Stevie a lesson.  He went back to the Jacobys to leave Amanda while he looked for Stevie.  This was about 6:45.  David Jacoby volunteered to go with TH, and TH allowed this.  The two went on a short drive around the neighborhood (10-15 minutes).  TH then dropped Jacoby off at Jacoby's home without explanation and went on to go check another place.  That place was in Robin Hood at or near a manhole, and that was where TH delivered his message to Stevie - a good strike to the jaw that knocked Stevie down.  Stevie's head struck the concrete collar around the manhole and he was hurt really bad, unconcious and maybe dead.  TH, Michael and Chris were in shock.  TH went to help Stevie, crying "what have I done."  Michael and Chris stayed with their friend to help, and one volunteered to get his mother or go call an ambulance.  TH could not allow this, changing from the "drunk driver" to the "monster."  In the end, all three boys wound up in the manhole.  Dumped on their heads, dead or dying in the shallow water.  Food for the animals.

TH left and went back to Jacoby's, arriving around 7:40-7:50.  The two resumed the "search" for Stevie.  During this search, they were told that the boys were seen behind the Mayfair Apartments near the woods.  At about 8:10 they returned to Jacoby's so Jacoby could change clothes and get flashlights.  TH picked up Amanda and returned home to find Dana Moore.  He did not report to Dana at that time and did not later report to any of the parents or police that the boys were seen near the woods behind the apartments.  His activity thereafter was designed to keep others away from where he had left the boys.  Between 8:45 and 9:15, he was in Robin Hood on the Interstate side of the 10-mile Bayou directing searchers away from the boys by splashing rocks in the Bayou and firing a gun.  At about 10:15 to 10:30 he abandoned Pam and Amanda at the Hobbs' home without explanation and was gone about an hour.  During this time he stripped the boys, tied them and switched the blue jeans for the shorts.  Between 2:30 and 5:00 a.m., he moved the boys' bodies from the manhole to the drainage ditch, buried the bodies under water and staged the discovery site.  

That is how the evidence plays out for me.  I admit I place more emphasis on the shorts and green beans than most.  But nobody points to any evidence or witness statement that offers an alternative explanation for either item.  The DNA certainly points to TH, and for the life of me I cannot see the WM3 committing the crime without leaving DNA behind.  And I for sure do not believe the WM3 fed Stevie or went to his house to fetch his jeans.






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« Reply #40: April 08, 2010, 11:58:24 PM »
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Bringing it ALL home!  Thanks for taking the time, Wolf.  When things are put together chronologically in story form, it really reaffirms my opinion... not that it would change, but the green beans and shorts are two pieces of evidence that never got a valid explanation, and it seems only Hobbs could provide an honest answer.  However, we know he couldn't do that or it blows his cover and the claims he never saw the boys.  Again, thank you for that extreeeeemely likely scenario, one I also believe is probably sadly how it went down.  teary
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« Reply #41: April 09, 2010, 12:18:05 AM »
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Wow, Wolf!  THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LAY THIS OUT!  I thought I knew alot about all this...I'm quickly learning I don't know as much as I thought. I have heard about stepparents (statistically speaking) being prime suspects in child murders. I guess I've had a hard time wrapping my head around that because I (as a Stepdad) couldn't fathom, in my wildest imagination, harming (much less killing) my stepson...and 2 of his pals. BUT I'm not a "Hothead" prone to violent behaviour....which I'm NOW learning TH was! (is?)  YES, your scenario is VERY plausible!  A warped/sick form of "Discipline" getting out of hand...going OVER the edge! And the other 2 boys were in the wrong place at the wrong time....THEN the Cover-Up!  Well, if the saying "What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive" was ever apropos, it's in THIS case!  I think this groundswell for JUSTICE is growing in such leaps and bounds that we will soon see the web untangled...already happening...but COMPLETELY!  
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« Reply #42: November 10, 2010, 10:22:36 PM »
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Thanks to fearlessdove for the transcript



    Part One:

    Officer: Umm, ya as far as the as far as the children, umm, as far as Stevie and Amanda, uh, discipline, who, did either or both of you discipline the kids when they did wrong?

    Terry Hobbs: We would, sure

    Officer: Both of you

    *Note: I'm not exactly sure what he says here but sounds like, well not the dole team?? Maybe someone can clarify that.


    Terry: Well not the dole team?

    Officer: No, no well that's not what i'm saying, i'm just saying were both of you, did both, how did you discipline your children?

Based on context, I think he was defending himself against the possible accusation that "both of them" disciplined the children simultaneously, rather than each individually at various times, and the words you had trouble with could have been "double-team"
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« Reply #43: November 10, 2010, 11:11:35 PM »
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Yeah, that's exactly right! TH said "Double Team." I live right across the river from West Memphis...so, I speak "ArkaTennese" fluently! yes
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« Reply #44: November 10, 2010, 11:48:42 PM »
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A few things I noticed reading this.  TH is the classic abuser.  It is never my fault.  He lays all the blame on Pam and her family.  She was cheating, she caused the marital problems, her family hated him.  Classic and so very typical.  Sorry TH, you are an abuser in the worst ways and show no remorse or responsiblity as it is always someone else's fault.

Couple of questions I have though that I have never seen before this.  Did Pam really publically blame Todd Moore for this.  Only thing I have ever read was that he had an alibi due to working and I have never heard of George.  Seems all I have ever read was that Stevie was best friends with Michael and Chris.  Also that Stevie had a crush on David's daughter.  I thought he had a crush on Michael's sister Dawn.
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