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The binding definitely seems to be utilitarian in that it served a purpose. It becomes a signature because it is a behavior the perp learned (i.e. saw someone else do it, did it at work, etc.). I agree that the tying was intended to accomplish something specific, whether it was to move the boys or what.
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There is something strange about the slack in the bindings and the way the bodies were positioned in rigor, because all 3 exhibited the same degree of positioning which lead me to believe that there was something or someway they died and this is the evidence of such. You would have to look and study the crime scene photos to know what I'm talking about.
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Paid in another post you wrote something along the lines that at one moment TH felt an emotional response for Pam's pain. You have a concious, THe perp does not, therefore, one can not think like THe perp with a concious,,,,if he had a feeling towards Pam at any time that night or the following weeks it was the pleasure of getting even and/or a threat to his world was removed......the world revolves only around THe perp, every thing he does is for his benefit,,,,,NO ONE else matters. I agree that THe perp has very little in the way of a conscience.....but I think at times there is a small amount of "shame". He gives us a clue to this when he told Mark "maybe it was an accident and the perp wasn't a monster" and his "confessions" to Sharon Nelson. My thought was that THe perp may have moved the bodies to prevent them from being discovered too soon (before he could establish an alibi and Pam could better handle Stevie's death). ....just a thought. I'll be the first to admit that I can't begin to comprehend the mind of THe perp. |
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Q: So is it your testimony Mr. Jacoby was with you all night until he went to work; is that your testimony?
Terry Hobbs: Well, he was with Pam -- there was a time he was with Pam, and there was a -- or we might have all been together, yeah, I wouldn’t doubt it.
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Terry Hobbs: They were going to go look and see if they was in that manhole
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There is something strange about the slack in the bindings and the way the bodies were positioned in rigor, because all 3 exhibited the same degree of positioning which lead me to believe that there was something or someway they died and this is the evidence of such. copper....I've seen people say that they think the boys were tied to a chair or in a seated position....But, try this... Lie down in the fetal position (which is a very common position when death occurs from severe head trauma). Then imagine being tied wrist to ankle with enough slack to use as "handles" to transport the bodies like a hog in a slaughter-house. Now....you are carried face-down by the ligatures to the ditch and dropped in. Your knees are bent (limited by the bindings) and your arms fall to your sides.... your joints freeze in this position....just as the bodies look as they lie on the ditch bank. BTW....if you've seen the autopsy photos, notice that the knots are all positioned as if the bodies were carried face-down by the ligatures. The only questions are....how far were they carried?....And was this the primary reason for the bindings? |
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Q: So is it your testimony Mr. Jacoby was with you all night until he went to work; is that your testimony?
Terry Hobbs: Well, he was with Pam -- there was a time he was with Pam, and there was a -- or we might have all been together, yeah, I wouldn’t doubt it.
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Terry Hobbs: They were going to go look and see if they was in that manhole
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The most remarkable photo was the one where Ridge was lifting I believe it was Steve out of the creek and his rigor had his arms perpendicular with his leg tops as if he died and remained in a chair with arms on it....was there photos from every angle at the crime scene, seemed by the time the pathologist was taking photos the rigor was gone and the boys were limber again. Therein lies the problem...not enough photos of each individual event!
Crime scene photos were poor (Polaroids) and it looked like it was an amateur job whomever was taking them, they missed a lot of details and vantage points. When one takes scene photos you cannot take enough pictures...every angle and every vantage point with every detail in clear context must be taken.
Just curious Paid, do you know how many photos were actually taken at the day of the crime scene, not including the aerial and in station photos, but the actual events of the discovery until the coroner pulled out with them?
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Continuing with the thought of the bindings as a means of transport.....
There are a lot of people (Douglas included) that believe the bindings were placed for restraint, taunting, or some other purpose.
Even if we ignore Baden's opinion that the ligatures were tied post-mortem....think about how THe perp handled the bodies while placing them in the ditch.
Surely no one thinks they were cradled in THe perp's arms like the manner in which Ridge removed them.
Hell no.....THe perp grabbed them by the ligatures. I can't imagine any other way to do it. If we all agree on that.....why would anyone think that THe perp didn't tie them for that specific purpose?
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Q: So is it your testimony Mr. Jacoby was with you all night until he went to work; is that your testimony?
Terry Hobbs: Well, he was with Pam -- there was a time he was with Pam, and there was a -- or we might have all been together, yeah, I wouldn’t doubt it.
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Plus, it made it handy dandy to be able to carry them all at once or two at a time. Plus, face down, he didn't have to look at them in the face... carrying them down faced, drainage could occur that didn't get on him. And, think about it, think about the plastic handles on the garbage sacks, it was like taking out the trash carrying them like that. Plus, makes it easier to give them a good toss over into the water, step over and use a stick to position them so they don't come back up.
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Just curious Paid, do you know how many photos were actually taken at the day of the crime scene, not including the aerial and in station photos, but the actual events of the discovery until the coroner pulled out with them? I have no idea.....but I do know that it was not enough. |
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Q: So is it your testimony Mr. Jacoby was with you all night until he went to work; is that your testimony?
Terry Hobbs: Well, he was with Pam -- there was a time he was with Pam, and there was a -- or we might have all been together, yeah, I wouldn’t doubt it.
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Just curious Paid, do you know how many photos were actually taken at the day of the crime scene, not including the aerial and in station photos, but the actual events of the discovery until the coroner pulled out with them? I have no idea.....but I do know that it was not enough. I hear you...sad eh...absolute amateur... Explains a lot about the other injuries and scrapes, blemishes and odd marks...no way they were treated with any respect after death by the perp, to him they were handled like a bag of garbage.. |
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His behaviors are a bit ritualistic.
The stripping of the cloths, besides needing to cover for the pants/red shorts cover up, also, is like stripping the flesh off an animal. He was acting out of a script learned from his past.
The boys were just objects trying to get away from him.
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Which begs the question...
How do you skin a hog and does it resemble the method in which these boys were undressed? If it does, then there might be three things that are similar in the way hogs are treated that tie to TH.
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Just curious Paid, do you know how many photos were actually taken at the day of the crime scene, not including the aerial and in station photos, but the actual events of the discovery until the coroner pulled out with them? I have no idea.....but I do know that it was not enough. Not to mention their quality. I've seen far better crime scene photos from the 19th century. |
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Paid, Agreeing or not is not my purpose, we can always agree to disagree, I happen to agree in this case. what I appriciate about you and some others is I can bounce thoughts off of you and eventually we come to a conclusion that makes sense. Now I think about all I know about THe perps childhood, yes, the way the boys were bound makes sense, a handle, like an animal, which also fits his psychy, the boys were not humans to him they were objects and growing up in a slaughter house and butcher shop he used past exspereinces in this murder. Thank you, handle fits well. You are very insightful and I appreciate it when we can bounce ideas and theories in an itellectual manner. Kim, thank you so much for being my interpetor, you already know that I have more than one thought at a time and you explain what I am trying to write so well. You can go on and tell everyone that they do not want to here me talk on these kind of subject,,,,I am hard to shut up.   jacki Also we have to remember as far as we know THe perp is not a serial murderer, he his a serial predator, so this being the only killing that we know of there is only so much to go on. |
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Free us all from lies,,,,then the men known as the WM3, the parents of three children and families, the public can finally have a piece of peace. That is when there will be something resembling justice.
With positive thoughts comes positive actions.
Positive actions lead to more positive people and the chain reaction leads to positive change.
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You are very insightful and I appreciate it when we can bounce ideas and theories in an itellectual manner. Thanks.....but the transport idea wasn't mine. Out2sea was the originator of that theory as far as I know. She even went as far as to video-tape her experiment. My first reaction to her idea wasn't a positive one. It took a lot of other "pieces" going into place before that one fit for me. Yes....bouncing ideas off each other in the past has gotten us this far and I believe we're on the right track (or TH's "trail" as he calls it) All of us are in different stages as far as putting their puzzle together, but the pieces only fit one way...and the final picture is an ugly one. It's a picture of TH. |
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Q: So is it your testimony Mr. Jacoby was with you all night until he went to work; is that your testimony?
Terry Hobbs: Well, he was with Pam -- there was a time he was with Pam, and there was a -- or we might have all been together, yeah, I wouldn’t doubt it.
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"From the very beginning until this moment state and local officials has reassured me at every turn of the case there has never been one speck of interest in me as a suspect." Terry Hobbs
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