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« Reply #30: January 20, 2010, 11:46:23 AM »
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 Maybe Burnett couldn't grant Jason a retrial without doing the same for Damien...but Jessie's case is different?
 Who knows what this clown is thinking?  


Obviously, no one is is shocked or amazed at this ruling.

Bright sides:

(a) it's Burnett's last ruling on the case .... finally,  

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(b) we're a couple of months having a whole bunch more transcripts to post, which (from what I saw for a couple days in Jonesboro last November) will (if the laughing gas lady did her job and they're accurate) create a whole bunch of new supporter.


What's next for J&J?  It doesn't go directly to the ASSC.  Damien's appeals of trial court rulings do because his is a death penalty case.  Jason and Jessie will proceed through the Arkansas Appellate Division (average 18 months - 2 years).  After the App Div rules, they can apply to certification (or certiorari , not sure which in AR, but no difference), which means they request that the ASSC hear it.  ASSC doesn't have to do so (and rejects most requests for cert, usually granting about 5% of requests).

(Jason could also request direct certification - to skip the Appellate Division - but I don't think he will.  Going through App Div gives him yet another chance for reversal)

Barring any additional trial level proceedings (seeking a writ of coram nobis, etc), then Jessie and Jason would proceed to federal court, having a year from the date of the denial of their request for cert to file their writ.

Whole thing with J&J having separate appellate tracks from Damien is really just two bites at the apple.

Real world ... if Damien's habeas is successful (e.g., if the ASSC doesn't reverse on Burnett's denial of his DNA motion ... which is a closer call than the one made today), then the State can't maintain Jason's conviction, since they were the same case (retrial for one = retrial for all).

If, conversely, Jason wins in the Appellate Division, ASSC, or on his habeas, that would also invalidate Damien's conviction (unless they found some grounds applicable only to him, like insufficiency of the evidence, but odds are low on that).


 I'm a little bothered by the news report that Jason and Jessie don't want Burnett to rule for a retrial.  They would rather move on to Federal Court.

     Why would this be the case?   Is there evidence that can't be presented in Burnett's retrial that could be presented if Judge Miller ruled for one?

 .....Or can Miller's decision influence the prosecution to drop all charges and exonerate the Three completely?...Whereas Burnett's decision would leave a cloud of suspicion over them forever?


Good question, Paid.  

And you're right that it's a strange thing for the anyone connected with the case to say.  Not sure what the source is.

The reason it's strange is that it is very unlikely and very unusual for a federal court to declare someone "actually innocent" and to end a case, especially with the statutory changes to habeas and the case law over the last 20 years.

In other words - the most realistic (and most probable) result of the habeas is that Judge Miller will grant the writ and issue an order for the State to "retry or dismiss within 90 days."

In other words, a retrial is pretty much what we're looking for from the courts (of course, the State will then have to make the decision whether they will retry it or just dismiss, but that'll be a decision for the State to make, most probably not an order from a court).


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« Reply #31: January 20, 2010, 11:55:03 AM »
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Jason and Jessie will proceed through the Arkansas Appellate Division (average 18 months - 2 years)



   I have a hard time believing that Jason and Jessie's attorneys are glad that Burnett ruled against them so they can spend at least two more years in prison fighting the State.

  ....Something's not right.
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Q:  So is it your testimony Mr. Jacoby was with you all night until he went to work; is that your testimony?

 Terry Hobbs:  Well, he was with Pam -- there was a time he was with Pam, and there was a -- or we might have all been together, yeah, I wouldn’t doubt it.
 
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« Reply #32: January 20, 2010, 11:55:33 AM »
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Order Denying Post-Conviction Relief (Baldwin)

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« Reply #33: January 20, 2010, 12:02:21 PM »
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Jason and Jessie will proceed through the Arkansas Appellate Division (average 18 months - 2 years)



   I have a hard time believing that Jason and Jessie's attorneys are glad that Burnett ruled against them so they can spend at least two more years in prison fighting the State.

  ....Something's not right.



Unless of course they are counting on Echols case to move forward quicker than this.
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« Reply #34: January 20, 2010, 12:03:44 PM »
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Jason and Jessie will proceed through the Arkansas Appellate Division (average 18 months - 2 years)


   I have a hard time believing that Jason and Jessie's attorneys are glad that Burnett ruled against them so they can spend at least two more years in prison fighting the State.

  ....Something's not right.


So do I, paid.  I think a reporter either got it wrong or had a source like Jessie Sr (nice guy, but not exactly a legal eagle).  There is no reason to "be glad" about Burnett's ruling.  I'll have to read it before I can pick out any reversible errors, but every chance at vacating the convictions should be pursued.  No one is "happy" about today's ruling -- it's just that no one is surprised by it, either.
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« Reply #35: January 20, 2010, 12:06:13 PM »
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  Why do you think it's taking so long for Burnett to rule on Jessie's motion?

  So far...Jason's appeal is the only one he's denied. (according to the press)
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Q:  So is it your testimony Mr. Jacoby was with you all night until he went to work; is that your testimony?

 Terry Hobbs:  Well, he was with Pam -- there was a time he was with Pam, and there was a -- or we might have all been together, yeah, I wouldn’t doubt it.
 
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« Reply #36: January 20, 2010, 12:06:42 PM »
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Greg Day's thoughts on the decision may be found at JMB's Blog site.

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« Reply #37: January 20, 2010, 12:10:18 PM »
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The judge also rejected Baldwin’s claims that animals — likely turtles — caused multiple injuries to the boys’ bodies. Burnett noted that the medical examiner who performed the autopsies was a turtle expert who said the injuries were caused by a knife.

OK the same turtle expert that stated turtles don't feed underwater?  Bwahahaha  He actually wrote that??? Oh MY LOL

ooookkkk I would like to invite Dr. Peretti to come fishing with me in my pond.  It will be a long freaking day! There are no fish in our ponds due to the turtles.  I guess those darn fish kill themselves when they walk out on to the bank and are ambushed by them damn turtles!

I really didn't expect Burnett to rule any differently on this.  I expected him to deny so it goes on to federal and by the time it comes up, he felt he would already have his seat secured in the Senate.  


Funny about the fish! That got a laugh out of me.


Makes me sad and frustrated, but at the time same time I really felt like I knew what burnett was going to decide anyway.  Hopefully this somehow gets this story out more. I don't know.  :(
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« Reply #38: January 20, 2010, 12:12:54 PM »
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So far...Jason's appeal is the only one he's denied. (according to the press)

Order Denying Post-Conviction Relief (Misskelley)

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« Reply #39: January 20, 2010, 12:38:42 PM »
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Two more years for appeals?? Wow! When will these poor guys catch a break.
At least we are finally done with Judge Moe!
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« Reply #40: January 20, 2010, 12:58:41 PM »
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Well the media started calling last night.  Mark is giving comments on the phone...no taped interviews right now.  This is not a big surprise.  You would think with J and J's lawyers statements that they were not good representatives for the two that logic would say new trial.  Burnett should have recused himself from this in the beginning, being that he has bias.  From our understanding the defense wanted this to go to federal so they have a chance of fairness.  One would think just based on jury misconduct that would be enough based on the judicial systems own rules of law.  
  
I hope Burnett has nightmares for his misconduct.  I also hope he fails big time with any political endeavors he takes on.
 
Needless to say I personally am pissed.  These people involved in getting in the way of real justice are guilty of stealing the lives of three innocent men and giving a free pass for a murderer to roam around and ruin many lives.  They, the AK justice system, are also guilty of every one's lives that Terry Hobbs has painfully effected and or ruined.

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« Reply #41: January 20, 2010, 01:06:55 PM »
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      I think it really hurt the defense to not have a coherent theory of how the expert opinions fit together.  Burnett used Peretti's findings over the defense experts in things such as animal predation and exsanguination even though none of the defense experts found that Chris bled to death.

    It's obvious that Burnett couldn't make sense of how the crime occurred according to the defense experts' findings.


         I'm not a law expert...but it sure does look like a judge is allowed to inject his personal opinion on subjects such as pathology and animal predation into his decision on whether a trial was conducted fairly or not.  I thought the judge's job was to listen to experts, consider their credibility, and make sure that a jury made an informed decision.

   .....Not to pick and choose between expert opinions that support his way of thinking.
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Q:  So is it your testimony Mr. Jacoby was with you all night until he went to work; is that your testimony?

 Terry Hobbs:  Well, he was with Pam -- there was a time he was with Pam, and there was a -- or we might have all been together, yeah, I wouldn’t doubt it.
 
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« Reply #42: January 20, 2010, 01:44:07 PM »
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"His reply was that he was not board certified but back then (at the time of the autopsies)he was board eligible to be board certified! 
He also stated under cross examination that he has taken the test twice.
The first time he took the test "just because he wanted to" and failed it.  He took it a second time and failed that one also."


"and then Peretti first has to say he has 200 snapping turtles in the pond in his backyard."

This guy Peretti an expert on anything. I guess i am an expert to I have live along Spring River here in North Arkansas for my entire life lost of turtles more than 200 that's for sure and many different species of turtles too.
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« Reply #43: January 20, 2010, 01:58:55 PM »
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Yeah dont'cha know Peretti is an expert on turtles like Griffis was on the occult !  nope









So one can become a mail order turtle expert? Interesting!! Hahahahahaaaa!!!  big grin
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« Reply #44: January 20, 2010, 02:18:41 PM »
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It's obvious that Burnett couldn't make sense of how the crime occurred according to the defense experts' findings.


He never has presented as particulalry smart.  I have to wonder how some people make it into positions of authority -  intelligence clearly isn't a factor.
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