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lindsay and dusty
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« Topic Start: January 08, 2010, 12:59:34 AM »
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I was watching the discovery channel tonight and they had a great show about interrogation techniques...one part was about false confessions and how they can be elicited, and a guy on the show (sorry bad memory!) said something I took to heart because of my interest in this case, about how some people can not believe someone would confess to a crime they did not commit... That seems to be the stance of a lot of nons I see discussing the case.  I thought it would be good to start a subject on it, because it does happen, and saying it does not is ignoring the facts, and not seeing that it is what happened in this case is one of the main reasons the wrong people are in jail for this awful crime.  They used an example on the show involving a guy from Brazil who confessed after only 2 hours of interrogation to murdering a girl...the police had a witness that his car was at the scene and used aggressive interrogating techniques with him.  They figured out two weeks later he could not have committed the murder, because he was not even in the country at the time.  That was just after two hours!  They said he actually believed he committed the crime after the interrogations,

http://people.howstuffworks.com/false-confession.htm

From the above website:

"Usually, false confessions during a police interrogation fall into one of two categories:

    * In a compliant confession, the suspect confesses for a reason. Investigators may have promised the suspect that they will be lenient if he confesses. On the other hand, he may have become so fatigued and upset by the interrogation process that he will do anything to end it.

    * In an internalized confession, the suspect begins to believe that he committed the crime. This can happen if the person is particularly susceptible to suggestion. It can also happen if the investigator repeats the same scenario so many times that the suspect begins to feel as though he remembers it. "

I think Misskelly confession falls into the second category, and I found this website, I hope his name is on it one day:

http://aaidd.allenpress.com/aamronline/?request=get-document&doi=10.1352%2F2008.46:468-479

I doubt this information would change a non's stance on the case, but I think it is interesting to note how common false confessions really are.
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« Reply #1: January 08, 2010, 06:53:04 AM »
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I too watch that channel among others and yes it's amazing all of the false confessions that are indeed made.  I think Jessie was probably in both categories because first he thought he might help and get the reward, then when it came down to drill time he didn't know what hit him! They used all of their nasty tactics to get a mentally challenged, confused teen to confess so that they could get to Damien.  Once Driver kicked in that Satanic blood lust theory they ran with it.
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« Reply #2: January 08, 2010, 10:44:47 AM »
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There was a thread here a while back about a real false confession.

Ryan Ferguson

http://www.wm3blackboard.com/forum/index.php?topic=415.0
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« Reply #3: January 08, 2010, 01:07:36 PM »
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I searched the board for 'false confessions' before I started the topic, not wanting to get repetitive...I did not see that though, so thank you herb. 

I just read it, and it is awful, and it scares me.   concerned
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« Reply #4: January 08, 2010, 02:35:53 PM »
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I searched the board for 'false confessions' before I started the topic, not wanting to get repetitive...I did not see that though, so thank you herb. 

I just read it, and it is awful, and it scares me.   concerned



Yeah, I wasn't trying to sound like "Hey! You stole a topic that's been done!". I just remembered it from a long while ago and thought it was relevant to this new thread.


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« Reply #5: January 08, 2010, 02:36:38 PM »
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It is VERY scary! I was thinking just recently about Gerry Conlon of the Guildford 4. I've read the book 'In the Name of the Father' a few times over the years and seen the film. He gave his false confession after hours and hours of physical abuse and threats, until they finally threatened to kill his father. When pressed for the names of who was involved in the bombing, Gerry and his friend deliberately gave the names of people that they knew were definitely NOT connected to the IRA. They thought the case would be laughed out of court, but how wrong they were. Several members of Gerry's family, including his father, auntie and cousin were arrested and convicted also with no evidence!! All because the police were under pressure to solve the crime and get convictions! Very disturbing.
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« Reply #6: January 09, 2010, 12:35:39 PM »
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I searched the board for 'false confessions' before I started the topic, not wanting to get repetitive...I did not see that though, so thank you herb. 
I just read it, and it is awful, and it scares me.   concerned

Yeah, I wasn't trying to sound like "Hey! You stole a topic that's been done!". I just remembered it from a long while ago and thought it was relevant to this new thread.

What's lost in typing...I'm just shy about posting herb.  I have either an overblown ego or a sickening lack of self confidence about things, and starting a conversation about something I know very little about with some cats who have studied it in depth for a long long time puts me in sickening lack of self confidence mode...lol I'm like hovering with my finger of the mouse...post...dont post! post....dont do it!
hahaha so I dunno I was just glad to get more information, I did'nt think you sounded mean or anything that worry over the new thread was in my crazy head man  ninja

I wonder if that group the American association of of intellectual and developmental disabilities knows about this case?
                           
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« Reply #7: April 23, 2010, 12:42:55 PM »
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Hi,

A couple of psychologists have studied false confessions.
I’ve read some science papers about it. Here are some interesting things:

In contrast, people are sometimes induced to confess through
the processes of police interrogation. In compliant false confessions,
the suspect acquiesces in order to escape from a
stressful situation, avoid punishment, or gain a promised or
implied reward
. Like the social influence observed in Milgram’s
classic obedience studies, this confession is an act of public
compliance by a suspect who perceives that the short-term
benefits of confession outweigh the long-term costs
. This
phenomenon was dramatically illustrated in the 1989 Central
Park jogger case, in which five New York City teenagers
confessed after lengthy interrogations, each claiming he expected
to go home afterward. All the boys were convicted and
sent to prison, only to be exonerated in 2002 when the real rapist
gave a confession that was confirmed by DNA evidence.



Observational studies and surveys have shown that the modern
American police interrogation—in which interrogators are
legally prohibited from drawing confessions through violence,
physical discomfort, threats, or promises
—is a psychologically
oriented process.
In their training manual, Inbau et al. (2001) recommend a multistep
approach that is essentially reducible to an interplay of three
processes: isolation, which increases anxiety and the suspect’s
desire to escape; confrontation, in which the interrogator
accuses the suspect of the crime, sometimes citing real or
fictitious evidence to bolster the claim; and minimization, in
which a sympathetic interrogator morally justifies the crime,
leading the suspect to expect leniency upon confession.

Isolation: Well, they questioned Jessie for hours, without his parents, lawyers etc.
Confrontation: They said he failed the polygraph test


Some people are dispositionally more malleable than others—
and at greater risk for false confessions. (…)
and people who are mentally retarded, are particularly prone to
confess under pressure
(for a review, see Gudjonsson, 2003).
Youth is a particularly substantial risk factor.

So Jessie is  at ‘‘double jeopardy’’ in the interrogation room.

http://web.ebscohost.com.proxy-ub.rug.nl/ehost/pdfviewer/pdfviewer?vid=1&hid=9&sid=3d52a683-edf5-4887-93e5-fa8082df4709%40sessionmgr11
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« Reply #8: April 23, 2010, 01:48:05 PM »
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Though it doesn't go with false confessions... I have another legal question that has bothered me. It deals with the questioning part where two circles were drawn... one being where the "good guys" were... the cops, lawyers and judges and the other one being where the "bad guys" were... being Damien and Jason. The question to Jesse was where did he want to be.
There is a SCourt case called the "Christian Burial"... a man had killed a child and the police couldn't find the body. So, they had the perp in the car with them and were driving. It was Christmas and freezing outside. The police knew that this man in the backseat was vulnerable to aspects of religion. So, the one policeman commented that it would be nice if they could find the body so that the families could have peace and give the child a Christian burial. So the man told them where to go retrieve the body.
In the WM3 case, the police know that Jessie is not a smart individual. They know they can lead him on to confess to anything they say. It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out about Jessie. Most likely they already knew that ever before he came into the station. And, so, now I refer you back up to the two circles drawn during the questioning of him. My question is, do these cases relate and shouldn't Jessie's entire collection of confessions be thrown out with just cause?
I don't have my textbook anymore and haven't been to law classes in several years now, but I still have contact with my professor who is an attorney and can cite the case. I just wanted the question answered for me on the board. So.... 
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« Reply #9: July 13, 2010, 09:30:23 PM »
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Lindsey


* In an internalized confession, the suspect begins to believe that he committed the crime. This can happen if the person is particularly susceptible to suggestion. It can also happen if the investigator repeats the same scenario so many times that the suspect begins to feel as though he remembers it. "

This is absolutely correct when it comes to people with a low IQ. That does not mean that, in Miskelley's case, that having an IQ of 72 or 73 that having this score makes anyone mentally challenged. But, as stated in your post, makes you open to suggestion. There are many studies out there about this that confirm this with low IQ scorers.

Even Stidham said, that after less than one hour with JR, he had him convinced that that he had robbed a convenience store that hadn't been robbed in years prior to JR's arrest to try and prove the the lack of credibility in Jr's confessions.

Unfortunately it seems that the prosecutors don't want to hear or acknowledge this.
I watched a you tube clip on Mara Leveritt about her book (devils knot) and in it she talked about communicating with everyone's kids that, if they ever find themselves in police stations to answer questions, to always ask for a lawyer or parent no matter what the subject matter.

Good advice.
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« Reply #10: July 13, 2010, 09:45:44 PM »
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Bloomingp

If you can, try to get a hold of the book Evil Angels (DON'T WATCH THE MOVIE as it only covers less than a fraction of the court case). It covers the case of Azaria Chambelain ("THE DINGO TOOK MY BABY").

The book goes into detail of how all the evidence proves that the dingo was responsible yet the mother was convicted of murder because the prosecution confused the living shit out of the jury.

I am vaguely familiar with the Guilford four because of the movie but if you want to read something really disturbing, then that's the book to read. 
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« Reply #11: January 17, 2011, 10:00:19 AM »
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Read about Stefan Kiszko

http://www.innocent.org.uk/cases/stefankiszko/index.html
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« Reply #12: March 15, 2011, 10:18:19 AM »
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Wraith!!!!!!!!!!!

Just read the link. Although i didn't fully go into the ins and outs of the crime or court case, i still however see a pattern.

"If you can't solve the case, get a retard to confess"

no this is not a quote from someone else, it's mine.

Sorry for any offence. But can you really fault me for saying how it is?????????
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« Reply #13: June 06, 2011, 12:58:29 PM »
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Didn't want to start a new thread, and this seems to kinda fit here.

Has anyone addressed the fact that, if Jessie's statement were true, then he was rip roaring drunk when he chased Michael down?  Have you seen a drunk attempt to walk, let along run after an eight year old boy?  No way that could happen!  I just thought of this earlier and thought I'd share.  I'm probably having a senior moment to think that no one else has thought of this, but I'm posting ... just in case!
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« Reply #14: June 06, 2011, 03:03:16 PM »
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It is VERY scary! I was thinking just recently about Gerry Conlon of the Guildford 4. I've read the book 'In the Name of the Father' a few times over the years and seen the film. He gave his false confession after hours and hours of physical abuse and threats, until they finally threatened to kill his father. When pressed for the names of who was involved in the bombing, Gerry and his friend deliberately gave the names of people that they knew were definitely NOT connected to the IRA. They thought the case would be laughed out of court, but how wrong they were. Several members of Gerry's family, including his father, auntie and cousin were arrested and convicted also with no evidence!! All because the police were under pressure to solve the crime and get convictions! Very disturbing.



What was interesting in this case bloomingp is that none of the police involved in this threatening (physical and mentally) were ever brought before the judiciary because of the loss of face it would give the crown.
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