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« Reply #60: September 08, 2009, 06:44:21 PM »
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You know I love you SGS....but I get so aggravated when I see you posting your "there were LIES in the supproter movement." You're doing the same damn thing farm does, and KMA does, and fwar does, and sheer does...calling something a LIE or someone a LIAR because they don't see seems exactly as you think they should.




I said "what I percieved as lies from the Supporter movement".  

That being said though the fact of the matter is that for a while it did say on the welcome page to WM3.ORG that Jessie confessed AFTER 12 hours of interrogation.  It didn't say it took 12 hours to get enough info to get arrest warrants, or even his final confession was after 12 hours.  When I first studied the case I believed that Jessie was interrogated for 12 hours before breaking down and confessing partially due to messages like that.  When I found out how quickly he confessed I felt lied to which made me suspect that all of the arguments for innocence were based on lies.  I am willing to let bygones be bygones and assume it was said with the best of intentions but that doesn't change the fact that my perceptions at the time of what they were saying is what made me a Non.
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« Reply #61: September 08, 2009, 06:54:25 PM »
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what caused this young guy to lose it?

 Perhaps part of it was due to him knowing (i mean he lived with Amanda and Terry), of the availability of cocaine and crystal meth at that residence as disclosed by Pams sister's documents? What if he was encouraging/supplying it to Amanda, who was also a minor at the time? What if Amanda had confided in Andy of some things about Terry that made his blood boil? What id he had witnessed for himself physical abuse and assaults to Amanda and lost it?

I remember the issue of Amanda apparently having been pregnant and allegedly Terry pushing her hard into a sink, and her losing the baby. the poor girl! I wonder if it was also around this time? (i need to go and take a look and see what i can find that refers to this incident....)

I guess things such as these could push a boyfriend to beat up the one responsible for abuse? stare


Also, being that Pam tells she moved back in for 18 months when all this happened, i wonder if she was still residing there when she and Terry  sold their life rights to Dimension Films in 2006? Pam tells that Terry and Sharon Nelson split up in May 2005.....
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« Reply #62: September 08, 2009, 07:10:50 PM »
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http://www.wm3blackboard.com/board/pdfs/HvsP/19199298-exhibits4348.pdf Declaration of JoLynn.


<snip>
36. Terry is also a known drug user. Pam ultimately decided to leave Terry and move
from Memphis to Blytheville, Arkansas. <snip> Before we could get out to the car, Amanda had pulled out Terry's drug paraphernalia from where he hid it and showed it to the police. <snip> I know that Terry has been involved in drugs. He has used marijuana, cocaine and crystal methamphetamine.


<snip>
37. Later, when Amanda was older, she again told me that Terry had sexually abused her and that he was physically abusive to her when she was pregnant. She said that Terry slammed her into a sink, causing the loss of the pregnancy.


JoLynn's Police Interview with Officer Mitchell, 19th June 2007
<snip>
I know'this man is uh on drugs really bad. Uh I know of several
occasions that he was involved in drugs and I worked with the DEAyou know
. Anything
that you know I could do to help them I do, and at the time that I was in Pena Scott
County doing some work I found out Terry was involved with this young man with met
amphetamine so it was crossing over back and forth. So at that time I revealed to Pam
and that was one of their fights and break ups too
. He threaten my life as well, anything
happens to me I've got your number, let him come on with it. He shot my brother he can
shoot me.
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« Reply #63: September 08, 2009, 07:22:14 PM »
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its just horribly sad thats what it is, and on the other hand: who the hell is in your eyes more likely to lose it here and there sometimes? someone who:

-killed a guy
-attacked a women
-did heavy drugs
-always armed
menacing up his kids
menacing up his wife
-abused his kids
-no alibi
-exposed as liar
-his hair in the bindings, the one of his friend, who wasnt even there, some feet away

!!!!!!
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« Reply #64: September 08, 2009, 07:33:24 PM »
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thx again.

and to the drugs: marijuana, ok (LOL)

but lets be honest: cocaine and esp. meth is another league and such another world i never want to get into that. i admit i tried cocaine once, was just nothing, i mean, no effect + i know a normally sweet person who has a problem with that and by seeing from the outside an addict who is a friend is really most deterrent.

and meth videos i have watched on the internet. enough said.
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« Reply #65: September 08, 2009, 07:47:50 PM »
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http://www.wm3blackboard.com/board/pdfs/HvsP/19199298-exhibits4348.pdf Judy Sadler's Declaration

<snip>
10. I wish that I had told people about what Terry was doing to Stevie and Amanda. I
knew it was wrong. But Stevie was scared and made me promise not telL
Additionally, I was a child myself, and was scared about what would happen to
my family if I did tell.
<snip>
15. Terry has a horrible reputation in the Arkansas and Tennessee communities he has
lived in. He is known to be violent. He is known to carry and use guns. He has
hit my sister Pam in the face. He beat his step-son, Stevie. He is known to use
drugs. He used drugs like cocaine, crystal methamphetamine and marijuana in
front of Stevie and Stevie's half-sister, Amanda
.
<snip>
He is a known gambler who often goes to Tunica with whatever little money he has.



What strikes me as sad is Amandas own comment in her journel 18th July 2008, regarding her being aged 15. At 15 is when she and Andy Nelson were together and he beat up Terry for his abuse to Amanda. Remember, Pam tells of having felt the need to move back in with Terry for 18 months around the same period in time. What does amanda actually mean when she says "Then when i was 15 i started getting fucked up all the time. Now i don't remember what happened in my life last year."             Is it possible that Terry had been supplying/encouraging her to partake in heavier drugs with him, around this time....Something caused her to say she "started getting fucked up all the time" and as a result "i don't remember what happened in my life last year."

She continues.... "Was i traumatised as a child that i had to turn 2 drugs 2 4get about it?"  and also... "As far as i remember from 15 till now he never touched me sexually but he beat the hell out of me."


Just maybe Andy Nelson belted him as i said, for many things that constitute abuse to Amanda? Just maybe he to was trying to protect Amanda from Terry?



Seems to me, Terry is a long time drug user, and a user of harder drugs, in front of Stevie and Amanda.

Clearly whilst Amanda was living with Terry,  she would have known where he kept his drug paraphernalia as told by JoLynn's recount of the incident where she accompanied Pam and Amanda to move them out of that residence and the Police arresting him.
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« Reply #66: September 08, 2009, 08:06:52 PM »
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15. Terry has a horrible reputation in the Arkansas and Tennessee communities he has
lived in.

He sure does.

Quote from: Sharon Nelson
"Well, Terry told me some day when he was able to go back to Arkansas - because he said that he knows if he goes back over there now he would get killed so he says someday that when was able to go back, he'd take me over there and show me all this gold and diamonds he had buried over there [laughs]."

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« Reply #67: September 08, 2009, 08:14:52 PM »
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  Q. What was your reputation -- I want you to
 tell me what your reputation was prior to
 November the 26th, 2007, Mr. Hobbs. Taking into
 account your whole life experience and everybody
 that knew you, what was your reputation?

  A.  Pretty screwed up one, ain't it.


   Bwahaahhaaaa!  .....Bang!....Next case.
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Q:  So is it your testimony Mr. Jacoby was with you all night until he went to work; is that your testimony?

 Terry Hobbs:  Well, he was with Pam -- there was a time he was with Pam, and there was a -- or we might have all been together, yeah, I wouldn’t doubt it.
 
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« Reply #68: September 08, 2009, 09:20:34 PM »
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http://www.wm3blackboard.com/board/pdfs/HvsP/19199298-exhibits4348.pdf Exhibit 46 Pam Hobbs Declaration

<snip>
7. During our marriage, Terry was a regular user of drugs. He frequently smoked
marijuana in our home and out of the house. He also used crystal
methamphetamine and cocaine
.

<snip>

21. Terry has been violent and abusive to people outside my family as well. Prior to
our marriage, Terry was married to Angela Timms. I saw the divorce papers in
which Angela accused Terry of sexually molesting their son, Bryan Hobbs
.



(Remember Mildred French stating she had accused Terry all that time back of abusing his wife and son, and that she believed his sexual attack on her was as a result?
Is it falling into place for those disbelievers yet?)


<snip>
25. Amanda let me into the house. Terry was angry and we began to fight. Amanda
and I left and I asked the police to come with us to get our things so we could
move out. Amanda was aware that her father, Terry, used drugs, and she told the
police that her father did drugs. Amanda told the police officers that Terry did
cocaine and he did crystal methamphetamine
. The police asked her, "Do you
know where he keeps his drugs?" When we got back to the house, Amanda went
back into the bedroom and found marijuana and a white powder
.


But, as Terry recalls in his Police Interview, he allegedly fessed the dope was his, but that powder wasn't. He alleges he was framed with it.  dozing


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I can certainly remember getting the impression that she had stayed/moved back with TH for Amanda's sake - she wanted her daughter to have the stability of both her parents there after all the horrors of loosing Steve.

Miranda



Oh Miranda? Here is Pams reason for returning to live with Terry in 2004:

Exhibit 46 Pam Hobbs Declaration

<snip>
27. At some point after our divorce in 2004, I did return to Memphis to live with
Terry and Amanda
, because Terry was allowing a twenty-one-year-old man to
live with Amanda, who was only fifteen. I felt like I was going to lose Amanda
as well as Stevie
, so I went back to Memphis and lived with Terry and Amanda
for another fifteen months or so, so that I could be around my daughter and try to
protect her
.

I think she moved back because she knew of the cocaine use, the meth use, the physical assaults by Terry to Amanda, the total lack of appropriate parenting by Terry and was especially frightened Amanda may also die....


http://www.wm3blackboard.com/board/pdfs/HvsP/19199298-exhibits4348.pdf Deposition of Mildred French:

<snip>
The mother-in-law told me that her family was
not in favor of sending Terry to counseling. She was a member of some sort of
Pentecostal church. I told her then that I would pursue the matter with the police.
9. That night, after I told my landlord about the attack, my landlord set up a meeting
in which both Hobbs and I sat down face to face in front of the landlord. Terry's
father-in-law was also there. I said to Terry, "tell them what you did to me."
Terry said, "I didn't do nothing." After I articulated what Hobbs had done to me,
Terry looked me square in the eye and said calmly, "It never happened." He was
cool and collected as he told me it never happened. If you had not known for
certain Terry was lying, you would not have been able to tell by his demeanor that
he was lying. I was sickened and frightened by Terry's ability to deny his horrific
and perverted actions and seem so calm in doing so. I looked at Terry and told
him, "You are a liar and you are sick."
10. Terry looked back at me with cold, dead eyes and said, "Yeah, I'm sick."




I wonder if Terry was abusive toward Sharon Nelson? Food for thought aint it....
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« Reply #69: September 08, 2009, 11:09:25 PM »
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  Q. What was your reputation -- I want you to
 tell me what your reputation was prior to
 November the 26th, 2007, Mr. Hobbs. Taking into
 account your whole life experience and everybody
 that knew you, what was your reputation?

  A.  Pretty screwed up one, ain't it.


   Bwahaahhaaaa!  .....Bang!....Next case.


Now, I don't know much about Hobbs' attorney and I know that some witnesses are just flat-out uncoachable, but this quote alone is proof that either the attorney is incompetent or Hobbs is just willfully stupid and arrogant. 

He's filed a defamation suit and it's clear he's going after a deep pocket in hopes of getting a big settlement.  (no way he's ever getting a big judgement with these really creepy allegations of child molestation, the sexual assault, and the shot brother-in-law.  His only hope is an out-of-court settlement.)  Leaving what Maines did or didn't say aside for a moment, the only way he can do this is if he can show how his previously good reputation was demonstrably damaged.   They HAD to know this question was going to be asked, probably several times in different ways.  And yet, this is the best he can do.   And then there is this:


Q:  How has Ms. Pasdar's statement in the letter or at the rally injured your reputation compared to...

A:  Just add injury to injury is what it does.

Q:  Add injury to injury.  Because Ms. Pasdar certainly wasn't saying anything new, was she?

A:  No.

 I've seen my share of nutty lawsuits in my day, and trust me, it's been a long day, but this one is particularly bizarre when one considers what Hobbs has to lose relative to what he could possibly gain.   And he doesn't sound the slightest bit prepped throughout the deposition.  I really don't get it.  I can understand Hobbs being clueless, but what is his attorney up to?
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« Reply #70: September 09, 2009, 12:31:23 AM »
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Now, I don't know much about Hobbs' attorney and I know that some witnesses are just flat-out uncoachable, but this quote alone is proof that either the attorney is incompetent or Hobbs is just willfully stupid and arrogant.


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And he doesn't sound the slightest bit prepped throughout the deposition.  I really don't get it.  I can understand Hobbs being clueless, but what is his attorney up to?

 Indeed!
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« Reply #71: September 09, 2009, 12:52:49 AM »
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'Now, I don't know much about Hobbs' attorney and I know that some witnesses are just flat-out uncoachable, but this quote alone is proof that either the attorney is incompetent or Hobbs is just willfully stupid and arrogant."



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"And he doesn't sound the slightest bit prepped throughout the deposition.  I really don't get it.  I can understand Hobbs being clueless, but what is his attorney up to?"

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I believe you're right on both.....atty incompetence & client willfully stupid & arrogant itchy.  Wonder if the depo cam caught Hobb's atty's face when Terry answered in regard to his rep "pretty screwed up ain't it?" because i'd love to see it. 


 
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« Reply #72: September 09, 2009, 01:22:11 AM »
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And he doesn't sound the slightest bit prepped throughout the deposition.  I really don't get it.  I can understand Hobbs being clueless, but what is his attorney up to?


I am extremely perplexed by this - I mean surely no attorney can be this incompetent? I mean, they must be super incompetent to not even have any insight into their own ability to go up against Pasdar who was always going to have excellent representation and was never going to back down lightly - I can't understnad why any attorney would even take this case on  let alone someone who clearly doesn't know what they are doing?
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« Reply #73: September 09, 2009, 05:14:31 AM »
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...but what is his attorney up to?

Funny you should mention that...

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« Reply #74: September 09, 2009, 06:54:31 AM »
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Miranda, i actually provided the actual link to that post, and if one clicks on it, that date and other posts of hers in that same thread, can be seen.

Apologies!  I am working on net book and the lack of a mouse means I do not hover as much as I should!

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I don't remember that being the reason or being given that impression at all, but if you can find the post and paste it here, i'd appreciate it.

As I said, it was the impression I got so I am afraid there are no links to hand to take you to old posts. Anyway, your impressions from reading between lines might well be totally different to mine!  Reference to 'stability' for Amanda was with reference to earlier on when she was younger.  Again, I got the impression that it was a pretty erratic thing - including the period right after Steve died when they went their separate ways?  Hence my use of 'stayed/moved back'.

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I actually remember it the way MnM has posted it; that Pam was not happy of Amanda having a boyfriend older than her, calling him a grown man and Amanda being still a minor at the time, that Terry was allowing him to live at the residence etc, and that Terry had been beaten by him for his abuse of Amanda...
 , , , , ,  And, if i remember correctly, at the time of Andys arrest, Amanda was about 15 years old, and he was around 20/21 years old? And, the year was 2004? Like Amanda would have been a minor and he would have been a grown man.....

Yeah.  That was pretty horrifying. 
Indeed you have an efficient retrieval system!  Either of memory or documents or both.  I envy that.

On a side note, it would be interesting to see the distribution of teen pregnancy both by socio-economic and geographic spread.

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