Discussion on the Hobbs v Pasdar Documents

[nightbreed]

page after page big movie and book-talking - what a greedy a**!

and after that comes the ugly stuff.... the real ugly stuff (No. 321)

reasonable question: why, just why would anybody in this world come up, or better: why would anybody make up such gross gross stuff. either a handful of people hate terry from their very heart, or terry... well... (i'm really overwhelmed right now)

jesus, this has to be some kind of full blown war between the hobbs and the hicks (this is just my completely-outsider opinion) - but one could say that, right?

[enuffizenuff]

So, he just doesn't want people "jumping on the bandwagon"? Gee, wonder where he got that from...

[whitegoddess]

Statement of Fact 321:           In addition to his admissions that reputation 'could have been better' there is substantial evidence that Hobbs had a very poor reputation prior to the letters or the rally.

The following is included in sworn testimony filed in Pasdar's First Appendix of Summary Judgement Evidence:

* Pam Hobbs, Hobbs ex wife has stated under oath that Hobbs hit her on more than one occasion.
* Hobbs sister, Judy Sadler, has sworn that Hobbs hit Pam, beat Stevie, that he locked Stevie in the closet, that he forced Steve and Amanda to watch pornography with him, that he watched pornography with Amanda on his lap and that he forced Stevie to sexually molest Amanda.
* Marie Hicks, Pam mother, has testified that Amanda accused Hobbs of molesting her when Amanda was four years old.
* Jo Lynn McCaughey has also testified to Hobbs sexual molestation of Amanda.
* Amanda Hobbs, Hobbs daughter, has admitted in her journal that she had accused Hobbs ofsexually molesting her, that Hobbs repeatedly beat her, that she has her "Fathers awful blood," and prays "God please takemy father out of me.....I don't want to be like him......We both know he hit me and i don't want 2 be angry like him or violent like him".
* Marie Hicks, Pam's mother , has sworn that Stevie was terrified of Hobbs that Stevie told her Hobbs beat Stevie when he had "accidents".
* Jo Lynn McCaughey also affirmed that Hobbs beat Stevie.
* Jo Lynn McCaughey, Pams sister, has testified that after she told Hobbs she believed he was involved in the murders, as the two were talking about the possible mutilation of Christopher Byers by the murderer, Hobbs said, "You know i've got experience from working in a slaughterhouse, don't you?"
* Pam Hobbs and her family have testified that, after hitting Pam in the face, Hobbs shot Pam's unarmed brother (who had come to her aid)causin ghim severe injuries.
* Hobbs former next-door neighbour has testified that after confronting Hobbs about his suspected physical abuse of his wife and baby, Hobbs broke into her house and physically and sexually assaulted her.
* Sheila Hicks Muse, Pam Hobbs sister, and her husband Brandon Muse have sworn tht in November of 1997, they observed Hobbs having his daughter Amanda, then age 8, give him a lap dance.
* Sheila Muse has also sworn that Hobbs beat Stevie.



I post this not in any disrespect or intent to harm those named, but in anger at what was done to the innocence of these children. I am absolutley appauled   May you rot i hell for what has been testified/sworn to, you sorry excuse for a human and a father.

[Paid]

  

his claim that he called and made a police report at 5.30pm about the missing boys,.....

Yeah nightbreed, wonder why he told them that? Or should i say, i wonder why he told the Police Interviewer differently?

     Notice how Hobbs tried to cover his ass about the 5:30 phone call in the WMPD interview.  He had already told Dimension Films that he made that call...then, when he was asked again by Mitchell, he had to back-peddle and change his story to.... he "might have made the call", because he didn't know whether or not the WMPD could check their records and prove that he didn't.

   This is a huge blunder by Hobbs. His original plan (probably what's written in his journal) was to claim that he was the first to phone the police.  This was likely an attempt to ease the suspicion of Pam.

     When you understand what Hobbs is doing.....You can see how incriminating this part of the interview is:


Officer: Do you know who uh, who was the first family or the first ones to call the police on this?

Terry Hobbs: I know when we's at a Dana's house when we I first met Mark we said right then we was gonna call the police. But I thought I called them before that? And, I can't remember, but it seemed like I did, but I ain't gonna sit here and say that.I, I'm just trying to think back.

Officer: Did you have a home phone at the time, would you have called from your home or ?

Terry Hobbs: Nooo, pay phone.

Officer: Pay phone?

Terry Hobbs: yea

Officer: Did you have a working home phone at that time?

Terry Hobbs: Sure

Officer: Did you, ok

Terry Hobbs: yes

Officer: Uhhh

Terry Hobbs: I mighta even called from there cuz i'm, I don't remember that, but I'm, I member when we's at the Moore's house and I met Mark, I member telling Dana cuz they both said they was gonna call the police and I told one of, I said, tell them Stevie ain't here too. So I think, I didn't call, I didn't make that call right then but I mentioned that to Dana.

      

[Miranda]

jesus, this has to be some kind of full blown war between the hobbs and the hicks (this is just my completely-outsider opinion) - but one could say that, right?

Forget not that Amanda is both a Hobbs and a Hicks and is, sadly, caught up in the middle of it all.

It is all so very, very sad.

I cannot, for the life of me, see how TH thinks he has a legal leg to stand on in this case.   He has so put himself forward and into the glare of the public eye.

Greed has fuelled all of this and he has been ill-advised.  However, it is going to prove a big help to the cause for those currently incarcerated.

I am still wading (literally & figuratively) through it all.  I do hope that Pam H and her daughter are holding up OK through all of this mess.  Not an easy time for them - but I guess TH did not think of that in his chase of the $$$

Miranda

[Paid]

   

Greed has fuelled all of this and he has been ill-advised.

  Yeah...you'd think that J. Cody would've realized that Hobbs is a Tennessee resident.... Maines is a resident of California.... the Statute of Limitations (in Tn) had already expired....and Hobbs had no business filing a lawsuit in the Arkansas courts.

  I wonder if they needed to bring out the defibrillator for J. Cody when Hobbs admitted that Natalie never accused him of murder?


     .....Ahaaaahahaaa!  I'm just a little disappointed that this will never make it to court.  I was hoping to be in attendance.

[badfish_76]

She has the money to hire fire cracker lawyers and top notch investigators.

You'd think that would have been considered by the parties involved.

I guess some people owe Mark an apology. Sadly the worst of the worst seems to be true.

 

[Paid]

  .........anxiously awaiting Exhibits #1, #10, #17, and #'s 40-48.   

[Paid]

 

She has the money to hire fire cracker lawyers and top notch investigators.

You'd think that would have been considered by the parties involved.

  ....Seems that farm may have mis-calculated.   

[Miranda]

This has just hit me like a ton of bricks:

Statement of Fact No. 297:
In simple terms, Hobbs admits that the statements in the post-script are "nothing new,"
and most importantly, that they are true statements. Ex. 1, Hobbs Dep. 243:1-243:9.

which refers to the post-script below:

""With regard to the post-script of the Letters, Hobbs complains solely of the following
statements:

• DNA tests also show that a hair belonging to Terry Hobbs, the step-father of one
ofthe victims, was found in the ligature of one of the victims.

• DNA tests also match a hair at the crime scene to a friend of Hobbs that was with
him that day.

• Sworn affidavits outlining new evidence uncovered by Pam Hobbs (the ex-wife of
Terry Hobbs) who found a knife in Terry Hobbs' drawer that her son (one of the
victims) had carried with him at all times. After her son was killed, the knife was
not among his personal effects that police gave to the Hobbs family, and Pam
Hobbs always assumed that her son's murderer had taken it during the crime.

• New information implicating Terry Hobbs including his own statements made to
police in recent interviews where he acknowledged that several of his relatives
suspect him in the crime. The filing also includes a chronology of Hobbs'
activities on the night ofthe crimes, when he washed his clothes and sheets at odd
hours for no reason other than to hide evidence from the crimes.

Am I going mad or does this imply that TH has acknowledged that the contents of all the above bullet points are true?????

Talk about shooting oneself in the foot.

[enuffizenuff]

I noticed that, along with "now admits he did have Stevie's knife".

[Miranda]

I noticed that, along with "now admits he DOES have Stevie's knife".

'Had'  ?   I seem to remember that PH gave that lot to Judge Stidham and from there it went, via Defence teams, to wmpd??

Paid - or someone with legal mind.  The 'Dep' is abbreviation for deposition isn't it?  And they normally are done rather formally and under oath aren't they?? 
And thus as solid as testimony in a court of law??

[Paid]

  I think we need to wait for the Exhibits to be posted.

 Just because Natalie's attorneys contend that Hobbs "admitted" to certain things we don't know exactly what he said.

   For example...They may be drawing the conclusion that because Hobbs said "the knife may have been taken from Stevie because Hobbs didn't want an 8 yr-old to carry a knife"....That Hobbs is admitting that he was in possession of Stevie's knife.


     .....These may be "contentions" that require a response by Hobbs' side.   JMO, but I think we need to be a little more patient (on what Hobbs "admits") until we see the exhibits.

     Hobbs could be saying that...."It's true that those people made those statements"....Not that the accusations are true.

[nightbreed]

I think we need to wait for the Exhibits to be posted.

which exhibits?

do you mean something like that: (from end of page 2 of the hobbs vs. pasdar.pdf)

"In his deposition, however, Hobbs admits that Pasdar did not accuse him of the Murders."

[Miranda]

My thanks Paid!  As always, the voice of reason in my ear.

But 'Dep' is abbreviation. of deposition and they are done under oath aren't they?

Menawhile further down the pdf TH denies the laundering that night. . . .

Statement of Fact No. 309:
Third, as set forth below, Hobbs admits that Pasdar has correctly stated the bulk of the
evidence (or he has stipulated that he does not complain of that evidence):

• Although he now denies it, summary judgment evidence before the Court supports
the Letters' bullet point regarding Hobbs doing laundry at an odd hour for no reason
other than to hide evidence of the crimes. Ex. 1, Hobbs Dep. 109:10-109:16; Ex.
43, McCaughey Dec. ,-r 14. Hobbs also acknowledges that, other than the fact that it
came from Pasdar, nothing in the Letters was new, which includes the point
regarding laundry. Ex. 1, Hobbs Dep. 183:17-183:22.

I tend to agree with you though that there are instances where he would appear to be merely confirming that Pasdar was not the source of information but that it was already well in the public domain and thus not litigious in this instance.  Other times it would appear that he is maybe making pretty clear statements - but we must wait until we can read the actual documents, rather than mere citations!

Do you know where that pocket knife is now?

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